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but by convention that relationship is also applied to e.g. Spotify links
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@_discord_681477816029675521:chatbrainz.org
which is only "free" in a very technical sense
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@_discord_202859540343947265:chatbrainz.org
it's an option artists can turn on or off
@_discord_681477816029675521:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_681477816029675521:chatbrainz.org
yeah, makes sense
@aerozol:matrix.org
@aerozol:matrix.org
yvanzo: did you see the comment by dicktwister? "Need Irish Folk Recommendations"
@aerozol:matrix.org
@aerozol:matrix.org
Sounds like you?
@_discord_251035399244349450:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_251035399244349450:chatbrainz.org
i guess the easy way is to start here https://musicbrainz.org/tag/irish%20folk
@aerozol:matrix.org
@aerozol:matrix.org
Damn qreon, excellent vinyl addition, no notes!
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@irc_UltraFuzzy_:chatbrainz.org
@irc_UltraFuzzy_:chatbrainz.org
Hey y'all, can I get this edit reverting my own previous edit approved so I can continue working?
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@irc_UltraFuzzy_:chatbrainz.org
https://musicbrainz.org/edit/130559462
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
UltraFuzzy_ (IRC): sorry, but removals cannot be approved :) I voted for it, anyway
@irc_UltraFuzzy_:chatbrainz.org
@irc_UltraFuzzy_:chatbrainz.org
ty 
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@_discord_159416613500747778:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_159416613500747778:chatbrainz.org
just realized there was an extra space in my picard file naming scheme 😭
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@irc_Eulinho:chatbrainz.org
@irc_Eulinho:chatbrainz.org
Boa noite
@irc_Eulinho:chatbrainz.org
@irc_Eulinho:chatbrainz.org
tem um canal pra baixar mp3
@ridge:envs.net
@ridge:envs.net
Eulinho: Aqui não. 
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@ridge:envs.net
@ridge:envs.net
Hi Brainz, I noticed that the recordings attributed to Elite Force (Simon Shackleton) are a complete mess, tons of remasters and different masterings listed as individual recordings. I would like to do a little cleanup, but I need some advice first.
Here's Sk8r for example, they're all the same track but have different lengths. They're not really remixes, just different lengths is all.

Should all of these be merged then?
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Ridge: for Sk8r in particular, those track lengths are quite different, so I don't personally think I'd merge in this specific case unless the difference is just silence (which is unlikely, but possible I suppose). especially don't merge the DJ-mix recordings, since those have the previous and/or next track mixed into the beginning or end, respectively

here's a link to just the Sk8r recordings, for others
https://musicbrainz.org/artist/9d39d007-dab8-4320-967b-147ea25d798e/recordings?filter.name=sk8r&filter.artist_credit_id=&filter.video=&filter.works=&filter.disambiguation=
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a common guideline I've seen people use is anything less than a 5-second difference is usually fine to merge (unless there's audio differences, like the guitar is louder or something), anything over 30 seconds is usually a different recording
@ridge:envs.net
@ridge:envs.net
Ok, cool. Makes much more sense, thank you @UltimateRiff
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@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
Ridge: one thing I will add, if they're the same lyrically and musically (or at least very similar), they should prolly all be related to the work for SK8R
https://musicbrainz.org/work/08e39277-b6a0-4b39-ae2c-d7c2758c8a11
@ridge:envs.net
@ridge:envs.net
Ohh I see, yes, that's probably what I was looking for!
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@_discord_165685663541231616:chatbrainz.org
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For a vinyl release that includes a label but no pressing information or other identifiers that leaves it ambiguous as to which particular release it represents, would it be wrong to link it to one of the many discogs entries that matches it and just decide that it is one of them, or should it be left ambiguous and that new one added instead?
@_discord_165685663541231616:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_165685663541231616:chatbrainz.org
For a vinyl release that includes a label but no pressing information or other identifiers that leaves it ambiguous as to which particular release it represents, would it be reasonable to link it to one of the many discogs entries that matches it and just decide that it is one of them, or should it be left ambiguous and that new one added instead? (edited)
@aerozol:matrix.org
@aerozol:matrix.org
If there isn't enough information to identify a release I would treat it as a blank canvas to turn into a specific release. Otherwise it just hangs around forever! Make sure to check edit notes etc in case there is some identifying information somewhere, though 
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@diedammerung:matrix.org
@diedammerung:matrix.org
I want to add this https://archive.org/details/78_dariko_alexandra-potskhvershvili-ensemble-of-tchonguri-players_gbia0357534a to MusicBrainz, but I noticed that the artist (https://musicbrainz.org/artist/152d7e9b-be2e-496a-9065-953633ebb11c) she's already in the database but with a misspelled surname from another release (https://musicbrainz.org/release/7e2503e7-77c6-429a-87e6-327f11014881), how can I save the artist with the two surnames?
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
Well, if it's a typo it should be fixed :)
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
As per https://www.discogs.com/artist/5971635-Alexandra-Potskhverashvili?srsltid=AfmBOop6djG3W-FuwBJv5SukEGgZK_iIxkZTTNf9jGr6A3qryaH87Ppv we should probably just use the Georgian name, with all others as aliases
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
I'll make the change
@diedammerung:matrix.org
@diedammerung:matrix.org
Yes it’s a typo, but she’s still registered with the misspelled surname in one album
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@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
Sure, we should keep the credit, but rename the artist :)
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
Luckily the two can be done separately
@diedammerung:matrix.org
@diedammerung:matrix.org
So how, just rename the artist?
@diedammerung:matrix.org
@diedammerung:matrix.org
And also, I never understood, but I should write the name in the original language of the person with the original script? So georgian name in georgian alphabet?
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
Yes :) Updated it now: https://musicbrainz.org/artist/152d7e9b-be2e-496a-9065-953633ebb11c
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
(but on your actual release, use "credited as" to mark whatever is printed)
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
Added a primary English alias too, and the typo as a search hint
@diedammerung:matrix.org
@diedammerung:matrix.org
Ok so the sort name for english and latin, finally understood 😁
@diedammerung:matrix.org
@diedammerung:matrix.org
(is quite a mess, a lot of georgian artists are in the database with their english name in latin)
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
Yeah, it's a mess :) And a bunch probably have no English alias, and a bunch are probably there twice in both ways :)
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
I don't speak any Georgian, anyway, so if you do, please make sure I didn't do anything dumb :) 
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@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
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Releasing server update 
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@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
Update done
@irc_UltraFuzzy:chatbrainz.org
@irc_UltraFuzzy:chatbrainz.org
Can I get votes or approval on this edit so I can add the CD TOC?
@irc_UltraFuzzy:chatbrainz.org
@irc_UltraFuzzy:chatbrainz.org
https://musicbrainz.org/edit/130765860 
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@ifoundpants:matrix.org
@ifoundpants:matrix.org
There are two releases in separate release groups that I think should be in a single group, but I'm not certain. Both releases have the same disc ID and tracks. I have a third unique release to enter with the same disc ID and tracks, so I want to understand if can go in one of the same release groups or needs it's own. The two existing releases: https://musicbrainz.org/release/4ef3c6df-19f3-469f-a5b2-3405148ef9c7 and https://musicbrainz.org/release/4fb2840b-ea63-4297-a8ac-ab62b2f55f7a
@aerozol:matrix.org
@aerozol:matrix.org
Good find randomblinkinglight! imo merge them into the same release group, and add an alias/es to the release group so that any of the album titles will return the group in a search. A disambiguation like "AKA Rock Selects" or "reissued under various 'rock' titles" or something similar would also be very helpful
@ifoundpants:matrix.org
@ifoundpants:matrix.org
Makes sense, thank you aerozol!
@aerozol:matrix.org
@aerozol:matrix.org
Hmm, wrong cover on "Rock Selects", or two different versions? https://www.discogs.com/release/11801300-Various-Rock-Selects
@aerozol:matrix.org
@aerozol:matrix.org
vs https://beta.musicbrainz.org/release/4fb2840b-ea63-4297-a8ac-ab62b2f55f7a
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@aerozol:matrix.org
Oh the MB cover art lists the same artists so I guess probably yet another version
@aerozol:matrix.org
@aerozol:matrix.org
Derp, found it: https://www.discogs.com/release/6538532-Various-FYE-Selects-Vol-1-Rock
@ifoundpants:matrix.org
@ifoundpants:matrix.org
I saw the same in Discogs. I believe it's the wrong cover in MB, that last Discogs release you listed is the one I have and am going to add.
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Nice, I'll update the one with the wrong cover
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@ifoundpants:matrix.org
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https://musicbrainz.org/edit/130771810 for the release group merge. I'm adding aliases now.
@irc_UltraFuzzy:chatbrainz.org
@irc_UltraFuzzy:chatbrainz.org
Hey y'all, can I get votes or an approval on this edit so I can add the disc id and finish up working on this? https://musicbrainz.org/edit/130765860
@aerozol:matrix.org
@aerozol:matrix.org
You added your own scans too randomblinkinglight 😭❤️ Lovely stuff
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
derwin (IRC) and other DJs and DJ-adjacent people: help me with STYLE-2734 ? :)
@irc_BrainzBot:chatbrainz.org
@irc_BrainzBot:chatbrainz.org
STYLE-2734: New event type "Dance party" https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/STYLE-2734
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
What should actually be the name of an event type equivalent to "Concert" or the like, but for DJing?
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
"DJ set" seems like too limited to one DJ rather than potentially several. "Rave" is also a lot more specific. "DJ show" seems a bit dumb. "Dance party" includes proms and bar mitzvahs according to its Wikipedia page, and probably also live salsa shows and line dance, so seems too wide 
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@irc_crism:chatbrainz.org
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reosarevok: live DJ show?
@irc_crism:chatbrainz.org
@irc_crism:chatbrainz.org
Or, conversely, clarify that “concert” includes live DJing…
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
reosarevok: I've always read Concert as including DJ shows, and Wikipedia seems to as well (tho isn't terribly explicit about it). that said, I don't know that I've been to such a show myself...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concert 
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siema
@_discord_165685663541231616:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_165685663541231616:chatbrainz.org
So I've discovered that [this recording](https://musicbrainz.org/recording/b34d7001-7e14-4a79-bc85-15be94ad8c1b) which is disamb. as "album version" is associated with many releases that actually contain a different recording, which would probably be the "Greatest Hits version" or something. Based on the list of artist instrument relationships for this recording, it seems those also represent the Greatest Hits version rather than the album version. I think somewhere along the way there was errant merge that got us here. I was considering reworking this one to accurately represent the album version, but I think the cleaner break would be to rename (re-disambiguate) this one to be the Greatest Hits version and swap the few releases that actually contain the album version to a new recording; it seems like that would require fewer changes overall. Does that seem like a reasonable approach? 
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@jp4w:unredacted.org
@jp4w:unredacted.org
Hi, new user here. First edit, trying to add a release. I need help identifying the label.
@jp4w:unredacted.org
@jp4w:unredacted.org
Discogs (https://www.discogs.com/release/13471090) says it is Nuclear Blast, the original label.
@jp4w:unredacted.org
@jp4w:unredacted.org
In The Metal Archives (https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Avantasia/Angel_of_Babylon/1347789) it is listed as Voice Music instead, which is a local label.
@jp4w:unredacted.org
@jp4w:unredacted.org
Both have their logos at the back cover (see images at Discogs link).
@jp4w:unredacted.org
@jp4w:unredacted.org
I am thinking Voice because it appears first in the catalog ID (VM-NB031), but I don't know if that is a deciding factor. 
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@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
From the back cover image, Voice is playing the role of distributor, not label?
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
In fact the local label that got that Brazilian licence is Sound City Records (also from back cover)
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
I would set Nuclear Blast as label, and then add the release-label relationship "licensed to" -> Sound City Records (which doesn't exist now on the database)
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
You may also add a second relationship: distributed by -> Voice Music 
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@jp4w:unredacted.org
@jp4w:unredacted.org
So, looking in more detail, the second and third lines near the barcode contain this: Sob encomenda de GOLFETTI & CIA LTDA, CNPJ: 00.510.781/0001-64, todos os direitos reservados (P) 2016 Roughly meaning "ordered by [...] all rights reserved (P) 2016" And apparently, according to the docs, that (P) is an indicator for the company with the production credit? And the next line, the one about licensing, "Sob licença da Nuclear Blast para Sound City Rec.", starts with capital letter (both on the back cover and on the CD), which leads me to believe it is a new sentence and the (P) is referring to Golfetti. Now, I looked up Golfetti's CNPJ and that company is owned by guitarist Silvio Golfetti, the same person who owns Voice Music (which is apparently called Sgolf Musical as a company?), and the Instagram listed on Voice's website even carries his name. I don't know if this info is relevant at all in deciding the label, would the recommendation still be Nuclear Blast? 
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@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
I'm not able to see your whole message due to the bridge
@_discord_492790468321607681:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_492790468321607681:chatbrainz.org
Is there any way to link the soundtrack of a exposition to its location?

I know I'm in vacation and shouldn't worry about MB but shhhh
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
That is extra uncommon! No, I don't think there's a way, unless you consider the exposition an event, then maybe there is something?
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
But no, even then https://musicbrainz.org/relationships/event-release is for stuff sold at an event or recorded at an event, not made for an event
@_discord_492790468321607681:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_492790468321607681:chatbrainz.org
It's a temporary art exposition, with music playing in the background (except when there's a major electricity outage like there was there...)

The music is part of the art and not a random thing, so I did put it on the annotation but couldn't go further
@_discord_492790468321607681:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_492790468321607681:chatbrainz.org
... We need Artbrainz already!
@diedammerung:matrix.org
@diedammerung:matrix.org
What to do in this case? https://musicbrainz.org/release/d64b6586-b9ab-40a8-9c81-2d17a207736b All songs are in Georgian, but the titles in the digital version are translated into English, while in the physical version they are in Georgian with the English translation alongside.
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
"If the release has tracks listed in multiple languages, the entry with both languages included is considered to be the official release. Entries with only one of the languages on the cover should be set to pseudo-release." from https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Release
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
So in theory, the official CD release should list both languages
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
(I hate how that looks, personally, but)
@diedammerung:matrix.org
@diedammerung:matrix.org
As a person who knows 3 alphabet, it’s a mess everytime
@diedammerung:matrix.org
@diedammerung:matrix.org
As a person who knows 3 alphabets, it’s a mess everytime (edited)
@diedammerung:matrix.org
@diedammerung:matrix.org
Here is even more a mess, on the cover the title it’s written in english and georgian 😅
@diedammerung:matrix.org
@diedammerung:matrix.org
a3264037191_10.jpg
@diedammerung:matrix.org
@diedammerung:matrix.org
So the entire release group should be "Therapy - თერაპია (terapia)"?
@jp4w:unredacted.org
@jp4w:unredacted.org
tagomago, sorry, I didn't know about that limitation. I'll split it:
@jp4w:unredacted.org
@jp4w:unredacted.org
So, looking in more detail, the second and third lines near the barcode contain this:
@jp4w:unredacted.org
@jp4w:unredacted.org
Sob encomenda de GOLFETTI & CIA LTDA, CNPJ: 00.510.781/0001-64, todos os direitos reservados (P) 2016
@jp4w:unredacted.org
@jp4w:unredacted.org
Roughly meaning "ordered by [...] all rights reserved (P) 2016"
@jp4w:unredacted.org
@jp4w:unredacted.org
And apparently, according to the docs, that (P) is an indicator for the company with the production credit? And the next line, the one about licensing, "Sob licença da Nuclear Blast para Sound City Rec.", starts with capital letter (both on the back cover and on the CD), which leads me to believe it is a new sentence and the (P) is referring to Golfetti.
@jp4w:unredacted.org
@jp4w:unredacted.org
Now, I looked up Golfetti's CNPJ and that company is owned by guitarist Silvio Golfetti, the same person who owns Voice Music (which is apparently called Sgolf Musical as a company?), and the Instagram listed on Voice's website even carries his name.
@jp4w:unredacted.org
@jp4w:unredacted.org
I don't know if this info is relevant at all in deciding the label, would the recommendation still be Nuclear Blast? 
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@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
jp4w: (P) is just phonographic copyright, I believe, doesn't have anything to do with production usually (tho the producer might sometimes also hold the phonographic copyright, especially independant artists) 
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@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
The (P) is phonographic copyright, yes.
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
I have the back cover image in front of me and I don't understand that phrasing as though the phonographic rights are holded by Golfetti & CIA.
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
The (P) are holded by the label that owns the rights to the recording (usually they paid for the studio), and most of the times that's the original label, or one of the same record company/conglomerate.
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
There's also another credit above that: "P + C 2016 Producido por MAC Brasil Editorial Ltda" (or something like that), which messes things even more
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
I would go with Nuclear Blast as label, and then relationships for the rest (editorial, licensed to, distribution, etc)
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
The catalog number (VM-NB031) even has a reference to Nuclear Blast, as a I understand it: VM(= Voice Music)-NB(=Nuclear Blast)031
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
I thing that proves Voice's role is distribution, not label
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
*think
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
jp4w: I typically add any logos that appear on the release as release labels, therefore I'd add both Voice Music and Nuclear Blast
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
tagomago: I don't know that it proves it, but Discogs does credit Voice Music as a distributor (looks like it might say it at the bottom right of the back, left of the logo?)
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
I don't think you should list any logo as release label, as a rule of thumb.
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
*every
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
my thought is to add what a user might search to find a particular release. if I had the release in question and saw a release with Nuclear Blast and not Voice Music on the release group page, I might assume that it's not my release if I don't look closely 
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@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
I believe there are simpler and more effective strategies for that, like linking it to (several) external databases (e.g. Discogs), other than assigning inaccurate roles, imo.
@aerozol:matrix.org
@aerozol:matrix.org
reacted 😅 to message
@_discord_1122526257771462658:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_1122526257771462658:chatbrainz.org
Server is slow
@_discord_938862694239461437:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_938862694239461437:chatbrainz.org
I need someone to vote yes on this https://musicbrainz.org/edit/130575227 
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@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
What kind of release is a recording of a live session where a DJ continuously mixes other artists' tracks, effects, etc.?
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
mashup? live bootleg (it's a bootleg release)?
@_discord_251035399244349450:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_251035399244349450:chatbrainz.org
is there a way to add a speculated relationship. i want to add the members that are speculated to be the members to clown core. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clown_Core. i do understand that we want to prefer verified information. so if the relationship can be "speculated" then it is known.
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
tagomago: if it's one track after another and they're mixed at the seams, that's a DJ-mix, otherwise I'm not certain. you got a link?
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
sanojjonas I'd prolly add that to the annotation of the group instead of the actual data (with that few members, could also add it to the members annotations too)
@_discord_251035399244349450:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_251035399244349450:chatbrainz.org
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@_discord_251035399244349450:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_251035399244349450:chatbrainz.org
i don't like annotations. annotations doesn't link items together. it is just text. everything that is being put in annotations feel like stuff that needs their own way of adding the data but isn't in mb yet. for this case, i would like a "speculated" option similar to the "additional" and "original" and stuff. that way the band (clown core) an the artist (louis cole) are actually linked. in stead of a stupit text box mentions it vaguely somewhere.
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
@UltimateRiff, thank you! One example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jhJD_fTQyc
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
sanojjonas true, but I don't think speculations should be added as relationships (at least not until we've got a proper relationship for that), and if annotations are added on both sides, it would be easy to add once we do. for example
https://musicbrainz.org/artist/bf3397c0-6c05-4c2a-a31c-e7bd1004cb64
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
tagomago: with that length, it feels like a DJ-mix, tho I didn't listen to the whole thing. could possibly be a mixtape, tho I'm not familiar with what those are, lol
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
XD
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
@irc_tagomago:chatbrainz.org
Ye, I think it's a dj-mix + bootleg
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
tagomago: if it was officially released by the artist doing the DJ-mixing, it would actually be official. not official to the artists being mixed, but official to the release artist, which would be the mixer
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
that said, if it wasn't released by the mixer, yes, it would be a bootleg 
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@sjm:envs.net
@sjm:envs.net
is it just me or is artist search broken when adding a new release? i just get an infinite spinner.
@sjm:envs.net
@sjm:envs.net
it'd just be just an inconvenience if it weren't for the fact it's preventing me from adding the release
@_discord_681477816029675521:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_681477816029675521:chatbrainz.org
@sjm: not just you
@sjm:envs.net
@sjm:envs.net
reacted 👍️ to message
@_discord_681477816029675521:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_681477816029675521:chatbrainz.org
you can work around it for now by using the normal site search for the artist and copy-pasting its URL into the artist input field
@sjm:envs.net
@sjm:envs.net
thanks; that worked
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
sjm: alternately, hit the search 🔍 next to the box. usually works for me
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
(I keep forgetting to submit a bug report for that...)
@_discord_681477816029675521:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_681477816029675521:chatbrainz.org
fwiw this doesn't work for me either
@_discord_681477816029675521:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_681477816029675521:chatbrainz.org
it just keeps spinning
@_discord_681477816029675521:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_681477816029675521:chatbrainz.org
uhhhh I think something is very broken there
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
huh, usually works for me, but it could be a difference in browser or machine
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
(or it could be a new and different issue altogether)
@_discord_681477816029675521:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_681477816029675521:chatbrainz.org
it doesn't send a single search request but instead sends like 10 requests initiated by the sentry script
@_discord_681477816029675521:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_681477816029675521:chatbrainz.org
*10 per second
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
huh
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_412453844132429824:chatbrainz.org
definitely bug report time, lol
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
Can anyone with the set performers as recording artists script set artists in https://musicbrainz.org/release/7c3074a7-eec7-4452-b310-8cd2be39ceb3 ? I'm on Windows and I don't have it set up here yet, but I know I'll forget to do it later 😅 
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@_discord_971766217830432858:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_971766217830432858:chatbrainz.org
can I just downvote on a tag even if there is no positive vote yet? For instance: When an artist is tagged with Drum & Bass but one album has not Drum & Bass at all.
@_discord_971766217830432858:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_971766217830432858:chatbrainz.org
can I just downvote on a tag even if there is no positive vote yet? For instance: When an artist is tagged with Drum & Bass but one album has no Drum & Bass at all. (edited)
@_discord_971766217830432858:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_971766217830432858:chatbrainz.org
So i could prevent having the genre inherited to the album
@_discord_971766217830432858:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_971766217830432858:chatbrainz.org
So i could prevent having the artist genre inherited to the album (edited)
@_discord_681477816029675521:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_681477816029675521:chatbrainz.org
you can't add a negative vote for a tag that doesn't exist yet, no
@_discord_681477816029675521:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_681477816029675521:chatbrainz.org
at least for the Picard genre logic, if you add any tags to the release or release group it won't inherit any tags from the artist itself though
@_discord_400211649791000578:chatbrainz.org
@_discord_400211649791000578:chatbrainz.org
it might be possible through the API 
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@homioooo:matrix.org
@homioooo:matrix.org
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@homioooo:matrix.org
@homioooo:matrix.org

1. Single Collection

https://mb-album-gallery.vercel.app/?id=8ac56a60-c667-4603-817e-793f0d2600b8

2. Multiple Collections

https://mb-album-gallery.vercel.app/?id=8ac56a60-c667-4603-817e-793f0d2600b8&id=8bd472fd-b961-4c59-95f1-26521b072a63
@homioooo:matrix.org
@homioooo:matrix.org
This project loads album covers from MusicBrainz collections, supporting simultaneous display of albums from single or multiple collections. Clicking on covers redirects to MusicBrainz album pages 
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reacted ❤️ to message
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Putting out a small beta update
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Done
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It should make the cover art uploader more efficient
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@roguescholar:matrix.org
@roguescholar:matrix.org
aerozol: Are you in here, pal? I've got a bone to pick with you… 😠
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@roguescholar:matrix.org
aerozol: Haha, actually I'm only feigning aggravation, and despite my playful nature, I'm also aware that it's markedly less effective within asynchronous communication. In truth, it took me until today to clock the modifications you made two weeks ago already to my attempt to breathe new life into the About page on MBWiki. I had to come and tell you that I couldn't be more pleased with what you did and thank you for taking the handoff, as it were, and running the ball in for what I see as an unqualified touchdown. It's lit a fire under me to discover who the darned transclusion editors are so I can light a bonfire under them to push it out to the Official Docs where we can all Ooh and Ahh appropriately. 😀 🤝
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@roguescholar:matrix.org

After further investigation, I find I actually have a couple more things to add regarding the About page; apologies in advance for any rambling I'm about to do.

  1. aerozol: I just read your message here from the colloquy surrounding my original edits, and really wish I could hug you for your characterization of them. The entire impulse to do anything to the page was entirely extemporaneous and initially driven from a more self-interested need I'll cover in my next point. Nevertheless, I wanted my edits to be objectively good and, without exaggeration, I ended up spending at least an hour and a half on that little historical brief you mentioned. I tried several approaches, including several that went into much greater depth, but in light of the fact that having not been present at the time MB was founded I couldn't be certain I was emphasizing the correct highlights, and so eventually opted for the one you saw because I felt it evoked the best narrative in the reader. That you chose to compliment the "story" of it really validates those efforts as having been successful, and I'm so, so grateful for that. Thank you again.
  2. In a way that is now poignantly ironic, the genesis of my edits to the About page actually dates back to this past winter, when I had a reason I've since forgotten about to desire greater certainty about exactly what licenses governed the use of MB's data and what the distinctions were on what they were applicable to. I do a fair amount of volunteer work maintaining software packages for various and sundry Linux distributions and expect that was what somehow triggered the initial inquiry. Being also a veteran of many hard years of service with the Wikimedia projects, I checked Wikipedia and discovered the information there was dated (referencing the older CC v2.0 license) and went to find my own primary sources. After confirming it was indeed CC-BY-NC-SA-3.0 that was applicable, I updated the metadata for whatever package I was working on as well as the Wikipedia page and called it a day.
    In the days that followed, though, my thoughts kept drifting back to that About page and all the ways that I thought it could do a much better job of representing the MB project, which I've heretofore only contributed to lightly and sporadically, but have always held in very high esteem for its principles and results. After a couple days of chewing on those thoughts, I decided to add it to my annual "Things to do before the year's over" list that helps me from backsliding into the well-meaning but very ineffective "do-gooder" with a To-Do list full of things that never get done that I've mostly been in the past. Obviously that all came to fruition last month when I had the time to draft the edits that I ended up making, which I had also hoped might also serve to remove at least some of the ambiguity regarding the data licensing in a place with good visibility. I just now saw mayhem's thoughts and wonder if it's possible to open that specific topic with all of you in greater depth. Specifically, I'd like to see if it isn't possible to arrive at a more authoritative treatment of exactly what data is governed by CC0-1.0 and which by CC-BY-NC-SA-3.0, even if it bears no resemblance to the language I'd proposed in my edit or has to be relegated to a less-visible page. Honestly, I'd like the satisfaction of knowing that the answers to the questions that got me started with this in the first place will be less vague and more easily found by the next person who goes in search of them, if that's not too big of an ask. I tend to suspect that the current vagueness is intentional, and understandable in light of how easy it is to screw up, but also intolerable in the sense that when an expectation of compliance is imposed on strangers, a reciprocal duty attaches to be explicit about what those expectations are and unambiguous about what they're applied to.
@roguescholar:matrix.org
@roguescholar:matrix.org

After further investigation, I find I actually have a couple more things to add regarding the About page; apologies in advance for any rambling I'm about to do.

  1. aerozol: I just read your message here from the colloquy surrounding my original edits, and really wish I could hug you for your characterization of them. The entire impulse to do anything to the page was entirely extemporaneous and initially driven from a more self-interested need I'll cover in my next point. Nevertheless, I wanted my edits to be objectively good and, without exaggeration, I ended up spending at least an hour and a half on that little historical brief you mentioned. I tried several approaches, including several that went into much greater depth, but in light of the fact that having not been present at the time MB was founded I couldn't be certain I was emphasizing the correct highlights, and so eventually opted for the one you saw because I felt it evoked the best narrative in the reader. That you chose to compliment the "story" of it really validates those efforts as having been successful, and I'm so, so grateful for that. Thank you again.

  2. In a way that is now poignantly ironic, the genesis of my edits to the About page actually dates back to this past winter, when I had a reason I've since forgotten about to desire greater certainty about exactly what licenses governed the use of MB's data and what the distinctions were on what they were applicable to. I do a fair amount of volunteer work maintaining software packages for various and sundry Linux distributions and expect that was what somehow triggered the initial inquiry. Being also a veteran of many hard years of service with the Wikimedia projects, I checked Wikipedia and discovered the information there was dated (referencing the older CC v2.0 license) and went to find my own primary sources. After confirming it was indeed CC-BY-NC-SA-3.0 that was applicable, I updated the metadata for whatever package I was working on as well as the Wikipedia page and called it a day.

    In the days that followed, though, my thoughts kept drifting back to that About page and all the ways that I thought it could do a much better job of representing the MB project, which I've heretofore only contributed to lightly and sporadically, but have always held in very high esteem for its principles and results. After a couple days of chewing on those thoughts, I decided to add it to my annual "Things to do before the year's over" list that helps me from backsliding into the well-meaning but very ineffective "do-gooder" with a To-Do list full of things that never get done that I've mostly been in the past. Obviously that all came to fruition last month when I had the time to draft the edits that I ended up making, which I had also hoped might also serve to remove at least some of the ambiguity regarding the data licensing in a place with good visibility. I just now saw mayhem's thoughts and wonder if it's possible to open that specific topic with all of you in greater depth. Specifically, I'd like to see if it isn't possible to arrive at a more authoritative treatment of exactly what data is governed by CC0-1.0 and which by CC-BY-NC-SA-3.0, even if it bears no resemblance to the language I'd proposed in my edit or has to be relegated to a less-visible page. Honestly, I'd like the satisfaction of knowing that the answers to the questions that got me started with this in the first place will be less vague and more easily found by the next person who goes in search of them, if that's not too big of an ask. I tend to suspect that the current vagueness is intentional, and understandable in light of how easy it is to screw up, but also intolerable in the sense that when an expectation of compliance is imposed on strangers, a reciprocal duty attaches to be explicit about what those expectations are and unambiguous about what they're applied to.

(edited)
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@roguescholar:matrix.org

After further investigation, I find I actually have a couple more things to add regarding the About page; apologies in advance for any rambling I'm about to do.

  1. aerozol: I just read your message here from the colloquy surrounding my original edits, and really wish I could hug you for your characterization of them. The entire impulse to do anything to the page was entirely extemporaneous and initially driven from a more self-interested need I'll cover in my next point. Nevertheless, I wanted my edits to be objectively good and, without exaggeration, I ended up spending at least an hour and a half on that little historical brief you mentioned. I tried several approaches, including several that went into much greater depth, but in light of the fact that having not been present at the time MB was founded I couldn't be certain I was emphasizing the correct highlights, and so eventually opted for the one you saw because I felt it evoked the best narrative in the reader. That you chose to compliment the "story" of it really validates those efforts as having been successful, and I'm so, so grateful for that. Thank you again.

  2. In a way that is now poignantly ironic, the genesis of my edits to the About page actually dates back to this past winter, when I had a reason I've since forgotten about to desire greater certainty about exactly what licenses governed the use of MB's data and what the distinctions were on what they were applicable to. I do a fair amount of volunteer work maintaining software packages for various and sundry Linux distributions and expect that was what somehow triggered the initial inquiry. Being also a veteran of many hard years of service with the Wikimedia projects, I checked Wikipedia and discovered the information there was dated (referencing the older CC v2.0 license) and went to find my own primary sources. After confirming it was indeed CC-BY-NC-SA-3.0 that was applicable, I updated the metadata for whatever package I was working on as well as the Wikipedia page and called it a day.
    In the days that followed, though, my thoughts kept drifting back to that About page and all the ways that I thought it could do a much better job of representing the MB project, which I've heretofore only contributed to lightly and sporadically, but have always held in very high esteem for its principles and results. After a couple days of chewing on those thoughts, I decided to add it to my annual "Things to do before the year's over" list that helps me from backsliding into the well-meaning but very ineffective "do-gooder" with a To-Do list full of things that never get done that I've mostly been in the past. Obviously that all came to fruition last month when I had the time to draft the edits that I ended up making, which I had also hoped might also serve to remove at least some of the ambiguity regarding the data licensing in a place with good visibility.

    I just now saw mayhem's thoughts and wonder if it's possible to open that specific topic with all of you in greater depth. Specifically, I'd like to see if it isn't possible to arrive at a more authoritative treatment of exactly what data is governed by CC0-1.0 and which by CC-BY-NC-SA-3.0, even if it bears no resemblance to the language I'd proposed in my edit or has to be relegated to a less-visible page. Honestly, I'd like the satisfaction of knowing that the answers to the questions that got me started with this in the first place will be less vague and more easily found by the next person who goes in search of them, if that's not too big of an ask. I tend to suspect that the current vagueness is intentional, and understandable in light of how easy it is to screw up, but also intolerable in the sense that when an expectation of compliance is imposed on strangers, a reciprocal duty attaches to be explicit about what those expectations are and unambiguous about what they're applied to.

(edited)
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@roguescholar:matrix.org

After further investigation, I find I actually have a couple more things to add regarding the About page; apologies in advance for any rambling I'm about to do.

  1. aerozol: I just read your message here from the colloquy surrounding my original edits, and really wish I could hug you for your characterization of them. The entire impulse to do anything to the page was entirely extemporaneous and initially driven from a more self-interested need I'll cover in my next point. Nevertheless, I wanted my edits to be objectively good and, without exaggeration, I ended up spending at least an hour and a half on that little historical brief you mentioned. I tried several approaches, including several that went into much greater depth, but in light of the fact that having not been present at the time MB was founded I couldn't be certain I was emphasizing the correct highlights, and so eventually opted for the one you saw because I felt it evoked the best narrative in the reader. That you chose to compliment the "story" of it really validates those efforts as having been successful, and I'm so, so grateful for that. Thank you again.

  2. In a way that is now poignantly ironic, the genesis of my edits to the About page actually dates back to this past winter, when I had a reason I've since forgotten about to desire greater certainty about exactly what licenses governed the use of MB's data and what the distinctions were on what they were applicable to. I do a fair amount of volunteer work maintaining software packages for various and sundry Linux distributions and expect that was what somehow triggered the initial inquiry. Being also a veteran of many hard years of service with the Wikimedia projects, I checked Wikipedia and discovered the information there was dated (referencing the older CC v2.0 license) and went to find my own primary sources. After confirming it was indeed CC-BY-NC-SA-3.0 that was applicable, I updated the metadata for whatever package I was working on as well as the Wikipedia page and called it a day.

    In the days that followed, though, my thoughts kept drifting back to that About page and all the ways that I thought it could do a much better job of representing the MB project, which I've heretofore only contributed to lightly and sporadically, but have always held in very high esteem for its principles and results. After a couple days of chewing on those thoughts, I decided to add it to my annual "Things to do before the year's over" list that helps me from backsliding into the well-meaning but very ineffective "do-gooder" with a To-Do list full of things that never get done that I've mostly been in the past. Obviously that all came to fruition last month when I had the time to draft the edits that I ended up making, which I had also hoped might also serve to remove at least some of the ambiguity regarding the data licensing in a place with good visibility.

    I just now saw mayhem's thoughts and wonder if it's possible to open that specific topic with all of you in greater depth. Specifically, I'd like to see if it isn't possible to arrive at a more authoritative treatment of exactly what data is governed by CC0-1.0 and which by CC-BY-NC-SA-3.0, even if it bears no resemblance to the language I'd proposed in my edit or has to be relegated to a less-visible page. Honestly, I'd like the satisfaction of knowing that the answers to the questions that got me started with this in the first place will be less vague and more easily found by the next person who goes in search of them, if that's not too big of an ask. I tend to suspect that the current vagueness is intentional, and understandable in light of how easy it is to screw up, but also intolerable in the sense that when an expectation of compliance is imposed on strangers, a reciprocal duty attaches to be explicit about what those expectations are and unambiguous about what they're applied to.

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@reosarevok:chatbrainz.org
RogueScholar: https://musicbrainz.org/doc/MusicBrainz_Database/Download#Licenses
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@aerozol:matrix.org
Hey RogueScholar, thanks so much for tackling that About page! Very very glad that you didn't mind our going in with a heavy hand and re-jigging things :)
@aerozol:matrix.org
@aerozol:matrix.org
When it comes to the licenses, I don't know more than you (I've never used MB as a third party service, so I never had the excuse to dig). If you can think of a way to explain the licenses, and what they apply to, succinctly and without triggering mayhem's concern about us interpreting/legal-ing licenses, then I think that would be very useful. Keen to see what you come up with - be it adding or expanding a paragraph, making a new page, or linking to that doc page.
@aerozol:matrix.org
@aerozol:matrix.org
I gather your interest is in explaining what data is governed by what license, rather than explaining the licenses themselves, which seems doable!
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@aerozol:matrix.org
I just had a closer look at that docs page and it has the description of what each data dump contains, and then the license for each, so a link seems reasonable? 
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